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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:53 am
by Shou
Imhotep wrote:Tiny Toon Adventures - Buster's Bad Dream (GBA) is another one (got released in Europe, there's a US release aswell but was only sold online afaik)

Ninja Five-O / Ninja Cop (GBA) (edit: already mentioned by Shou)


My mistake, marked it as GBC!

Some more that I thought of just now:
Battle OutRun (SMS)
Contra Force (NES)
Darkwing Duck (NES)
GI Joe (NES)
GI Joe II (NES)
Kickmaster (NES)
Low G Man (NES)
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Fighting Edition (SNES)
Mighty Morphin Power Rangers Movie (SNES)
OutRun 3-D (SMS)
Snatcher (Sega CD)
Space Adventure Cobra (Sega CD)
TaleSpin (NES)

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:38 am
by JAPJAC
For me, the most recent and annoying one was:

Capcom Classics Collection Vol.2 - PS2:

Side Arms
1941
Black Tiger
Strider
Knights of the Round
Super Street Fighter II Turbo
Three Wonders
ECO FIGHTERS
Avengers
Tiger Road
Captain Commando
Last Duel
MEGA TWINS
Varth
Magic Sword
Quiz and Dragons
The Speed Rumbler
Block Block
King of Dragons
Street Fighter

Totally mental not to of released it for Japan as I doubt this disc works on Jap machines unlike OutRun 2006 luckily did for XBox.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:15 am
by RadiantSvgun
If it makes you feel any better, that capcom collection is very hard to come by in my area.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:56 am
by Gaijin Punch
RadiantSvgun wrote:If it makes you feel any better, that capcom collection is very hard to come by in my area.


No internet in your area?

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:25 pm
by RadiantSvgun
Connection is really bad cause of all the porn being downloaded on the campus. :whack:

Many stores in my area never got Capcom classics vol.1 or 2. Small towns for the loss.

I'm a bit shocked that capcom vol 2 didn't come out in Japan.

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:18 pm
by Recap
JAPJAC wrote:Totally mental not to of released it for Japan


Capcom Classics Collections aren't Japanese developments, and after Vol 1's quality, maybe they just preferred it to stay in the West this time. Can't blame them.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:31 am
by JAPJAC
The games are Japanese. It is like saying that the Nintendo DS is Chinese as that is who puts them together. OutRun 2 for the XBox is by Britons then, I never thought they had it in them as it is stunning, Japanese arcade quality even.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:56 am
by Recap
JAPJAC wrote:The games are Japanese. It is like saying that the Nintendo DS is Chinese as that is who puts them together.


It's quite different. The "games" (Capcom Classics Collection Vol 1 and Vol 2) are not Japanese (production, concept, development-wise). Just the original titles they're based on.



OutRun 2 for the XBox is by Britons then, I never thought they had it in them as it is stunning, Japanese arcade quality even.


Not too hard considering that 90% of the work was already done since it's just a port from Chihiro. But yep; it's not Japanese either.

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:38 pm
by CIT Seven Force
Recap wrote:
citcelaid wrote:not understanding anything.


I thought that that indeed is what makes of RPGs a tolerable experience...



If that's how you feel about RPG narratives, then dubbing shouldn't be issue for you anyway.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 4:37 pm
by Ganelon
Recap wrote:The "games" (Capcom Classics Collection Vol 1 and Vol 2) are not Japanese (production, concept, development-wise). Just the original titles they're based on.


I think you're getting into a grey line there. By that token, you could say that most of Square's early RPGs (FFI-III, Seiken Densetsu 2) were partially American.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:09 pm
by Recap
It's not that complex, actually. The individual nationalilty of the staffers is irrelevant. It's where the development company as a whole is based in what matters. That, and where the money comes from for the production, of course.

Comparing the Square Soft titles you mention with the case of Capcom Classics Collections is apples and oranges.

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:02 pm
by dcharlie
It's not that complex, actually. The individual nationalilty of the staffers is irrelevant. It's where the development company as a whole is based in what matters. That, and where the money comes from for the production, of course.


based on a real life forthcoming game : so what happens when the parent dev company is based in Japan but the -entire- dev team for the project is based in China and the entire production costs come from the US?

which "country" is the game from? I'd assume that makes it a Chinese game...?

Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:13 pm
by Christuserloeser
Shou wrote:Mega Bomberman (Genesis)


I am fairly certain that this game was ported by Probe, and not Hudson. I remember I read about it. Julian Eggebrecht of Factor 5 wrote for a German video game magazine prior and around the time they sent out their Bomberman demo to Hudson. It was rejected as Probe already got the job.


Street Fighter II' (SMS)


This never ever was developed by SOJ, or was it ?!

Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:32 am
by Shou
Christuserloeser wrote:
Shou wrote:Mega Bomberman (Genesis)


I am fairly certain that this game was ported by Probe, and not Hudson. I remember I read about it. Julian Eggebrecht of Factor 5 wrote for a German video game magazine prior and around the time they sent out their Bomberman demo to Hudson. It was rejected as Probe already got the job.


Street Fighter II' (SMS)


This never ever was developed by SOJ, or was it ?!


Unless Probe had a ton of Japanese on their staff, I would say you are wrong. SFII' was a mix of both sides IIRC.

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A few more from the 8-bit era...

Basketball Nightmare (SMS)
Dynamite Dux (SMS)
Galaxy Force (SMS) - although recently emulated on PS2
Psycho Fox (SMS)

Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:18 pm
by PCEngine_Hunter
You could list almost every SMS game released after 1987 as not being released in Japan. Monster World II/Wonderboy III The Dragon's Trap was another no-show in Japan (well, until the Monster World Collection, heh) and was released a few years later on the GG only. The awesome Golden Axe Warrior and Alex Kidd in Shinobi World are two more SMS games that could be mentioned. It is a shame that so many SMS games never got released in Japan because it meant they didn't have FM sound. I really hate whom ever decided to take the FM hardware out of the SMS. That was the whole POINT of the damn system in Japan!

Another I can think of would be Saturday Night Slam Masters for the MD, there was no JP release.

Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:53 am
by Shou
PCEngine_Hunter wrote:You could list almost every SMS game released after 1987 as not being released in Japan. Monster World II/Wonderboy III The Dragon's Trap was another no-show in Japan (well, until the Monster World Collection, heh) and was released a few years later on the GG only. The awesome Golden Axe Warrior and Alex Kidd in Shinobi World are two more SMS games that could be mentioned. It is a shame that so many SMS games never got released in Japan because it meant they didn't have FM sound. I really hate whom ever decided to take the FM hardware out of the SMS. That was the whole POINT of the damn system in Japan!

Another I can think of would be Saturday Night Slam Masters for the MD, there was no JP release.


Didn't mention Monster World II since it was released on GG even if the resolution is different. Forgot to mention Alex Kidd Shinobi. There are plenty of games only released in the West which have FM sound including the aforementioned MWII.

Was Slam Masters Genesis really done by a Japanese team? As I recall, The Punisher port was not.

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:45 pm
by PCEngine_Hunter
Shou wrote:
PCEngine_Hunter wrote:You could list almost every SMS game released after 1987 as not being released in Japan. Monster World II/Wonderboy III The Dragon's Trap was another no-show in Japan (well, until the Monster World Collection, heh) and was released a few years later on the GG only. The awesome Golden Axe Warrior and Alex Kidd in Shinobi World are two more SMS games that could be mentioned. It is a shame that so many SMS games never got released in Japan because it meant they didn't have FM sound. I really hate whom ever decided to take the FM hardware out of the SMS. That was the whole POINT of the damn system in Japan!

Another I can think of would be Saturday Night Slam Masters for the MD, there was no JP release.


Didn't mention Monster World II since it was released on GG even if the resolution is different. Forgot to mention Alex Kidd Shinobi. There are plenty of games only released in the West which have FM sound including the aforementioned MWII.

Was Slam Masters Genesis really done by a Japanese team? As I recall, The Punisher port was not.


Yea, I wasn't sure about Slam Masters really. I think it was another crappy SFC port to the MD though which is why it was not all it could have been, just like SSFII. I assumed it was done in Japan but I am not sure. Sadly The Punisher certainly wasn't, and what a load of trash it is!

Are you sure MWII had FM sound? I have checked a lot of PAL SMS roms and I couldn't find any games not released in Japan with FM sound. The Wonderboy III Dragon's Trap on the Monster World collection does not have FM sound and I *think* there was a note about it not containing FM sound because it was only released overseas.

I'll say it again though, I will never understand why the FM hardware was removed from the non-Jp SMS, it was a huge mistake in my eyes. The only category the SMS used to be critised about was sound and the FM hardware was very nice from what I have heard. I think some games sound better than MD games!

Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:41 pm
by Shou
PCEngine_Hunter wrote:Are you sure MWII had FM sound? I have checked a lot of PAL SMS roms and I couldn't find any games not released in Japan with FM sound. The Wonderboy III Dragon's Trap on the Monster World collection does not have FM sound and I *think* there was a note about it not containing FM sound because it was only released overseas.

I'll say it again though, I will never understand why the FM hardware was removed from the non-Jp SMS, it was a huge mistake in my eyes. The only category the SMS used to be critised about was sound and the FM hardware was very nice from what I have heard. I think some games sound better than MD games!


These Western only games are confirmed to have FM sound:
Altered Beast
California Games
Casino Games
Cloud Master
Galaxy Force
Game Box Sテゥrie Esportes Radicais (BR)
Golfamania
Mテエnica no Castelo do Dragテ」o (BR)
Out Run 3-D
Poseidon Wars 3-D
Rampage
Rastan
Rescue Mission
Scramble Spirits
Shanghai
Tennis Ace
Time Soldiers
Turma da Mテエnica em: O Resgate (BR)
Ultima IV
Vigilante
Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap

Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:24 pm
by PCEngine_Hunter
Shou wrote:
These Western only games are confirmed to have FM sound:
Altered Beast
California Games
Casino Games
Cloud Master
Galaxy Force
Game Box Sテゥrie Esportes Radicais (BR)
Golfamania
Mテエnica no Castelo do Dragテ」o (BR)
Out Run 3-D
Poseidon Wars 3-D
Rampage
Rastan
Rescue Mission
Scramble Spirits
Shanghai
Tennis Ace
Time Soldiers
Turma da Mテエnica em: O Resgate (BR)
Ultima IV
Vigilante
Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap


Interesting, thank you for that. I will have to check these games out again. It's a shame that when I get my hands on a Jp SMS (someday!!), I wont be able to use my PAL-only SMS games on it. I guess there is some kind of converter out there though. I plan on doing with the SMS what I did with the Mega-CD, buy all the games released in Japan for the system as there are not that many to collect. It will certainly be harder to achieve that goal with the Mark III games though.

Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:58 am
by Shou
PCEngine_Hunter wrote:Interesting, thank you for that. I will have to check these games out again. It's a shame that when I get my hands on a Jp SMS (someday!!), I wont be able to use my PAL-only SMS games on it. I guess there is some kind of converter out there though. I plan on doing with the SMS what I did with the Mega-CD, buy all the games released in Japan for the system as there are not that many to collect. It will certainly be harder to achieve that goal with the Mark III games though.


I use a Mark III w/ FM Sound Unit and a converter to play the Western SMS stuff. You can easily pick up that converter for $20-30.

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:16 pm
by PCEngine_Hunter
I have seen a converter from the company that produces the flash carts for the MD/SFC/PCE/SMS etc but it looks rather dodgy. I will keep an eye out for one in the future because I am planning to get an SMS as soon as I go back to live in Japan in January.

I checked out the ROMS of the games you mentioned and they did indeed have FM Sound but Wonderboy III: The Dragon's Trap didn't. I have the "(UE)" rom. Is there another version? It did remind me of how much I love that game though, I will have to play through it on the MS Collection.

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:22 am
by Shou
PCEngine_Hunter wrote:I have seen a converter from the company that produces the flash carts for the MD/SFC/PCE/SMS etc but it looks rather dodgy. I will keep an eye out for one in the future because I am planning to get an SMS as soon as I go back to live in Japan in January.

I checked out the ROMS of the games you mentioned and they did indeed have FM Sound but Wonderboy III: The Dragon's Trap didn't. I have the "(UE)" rom. Is there another version? It did remind me of how much I love that game though, I will have to play through it on the MS Collection.


Tototek makes quality, although Engrish filled products. I have that converter and put it in a Mark III cart case. The WB3 cart I have is the US version.

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:43 pm
by PCEngine_Hunter
Hmmm, looks like I need to find a US version of the game. I have the PAL version but I can't test it to see if it also has the FM Sound. There is only one ROM that I can find (UE) so I guess they should be the same.

As for ToToTek, I have been planning on getting the MD flash cart for a long time but haven't gotten around to it yet. It's a shame I didn't get the SFC cart before they ran out of them.

I have also been thinking about getting the Mega CD cart they sell so I can play some of my PAL/US games that didn't get a US release such as Snatcher, but am still unsure if it works with the Wondermega or not. I have burnt games and changed the region and they work perfectly but I am a bit iffy about using CD-Rs in the system. I will get the MrkIII/SMS converter from them too.